J: I had done a two-week internship in the 9th grade and I got this idea that I had to do this for summer. I was on a call with an agency, and we were ending the call and I said ‘This is so hard, I’ve called like 80 places;. And the guy said ‘What did you just say? You called 80 place?! I think I want to meet you. I really like your determination and I’ll offer you a job for summer. It won’t break my budget whatever happens, so I’ll give you a chance’. So I worked there for the summer, for a month or so and apparently did a good job because he was asking me to continue. It was retain marketing, so i was doing brochures and logo design because I was only 16. I started High School at an art school so I was trying to develop my craft there and try different things. I was really determined to be a Graphic Designer, but at some point I noticed that I always had super high expectations of myself. So I ended up feeling like I wasn’t good enough, and that’s when I found photography. I’ve been on that road now for the last 14 years. I’ve come to the conclusion that I’m not so interested in further developing my photography skills, but I’m more interested in developing my interpersonal skills. I’ve noticed that what I’m interested in, within an art context, is the art that happens when people meet. That’s also why I started Creative Mornings because it’s trying to learn the art of hosting and creating space for people to meet and create possibilities.
I really like starting things. I like seeing gaps and then filling them. I have some issues with allowing myself to explore other genres, because I feel like I’m doing this photo thing so I shouldn’t do anything else. It’s been a process of unlearning, and accepting, and giving myself permission to jump on whatever train feels interesting.
E: And I think that in itself is the essence of creativity. It’s really good.
J: Yeah. I try to keep the curiosity alive, I hope I’ll stay curious until the end of my life. I think maybe part of that comes from the people I honour in the creative field, they are people who you really see the childlike qualities in and they’ll be 70/80/90 years old.
E: Yeah, I really like that
J: I have this idea that my life will never be full, it will end. That idea also gave me a lot of freedom because I was always putting pressure on myself for things to be perfect and believing that everything should be perfect before shipping it out, so I would end up not shipping things. So to practice that, and understand that everything is always in progress, even though it’s finished. There are always some things that you could do and change. Seeing that with a bigger perspective that this is the whole story of life; that it’s just a long journey.
E: I like that a lot